Frank Mallard and Len Ogilvie's interview in Perth

Frank Mallard and Len Ogilvie talk about their respective experiences in the Australian army over many years. Frank Mallard served in Borneo, Malaysia and Vietnam and stayed in the army for 23 years before then joining the Army Reserve and eventually serving in the UN/NATO force in Bosnia in the early 1990s. Len Ogilvie joined the army in 1948 and served in Korea where he was badly wounded after only 5 weeks. Both men thoroughly enjoyed their time in the army, learning new skills and making many friends, but for Frank, PTSD remains an issue that he continues to manage. Frank and Len also discuss their personal background and experiences as members of the stolen generations, and the history of their very large extended family including the service of a number of family members in World War 1, World War 2 and the Korean War. In this wide ranging discussion, racism, mixed European and aboriginal ancestry, and recognition and entitlements for aboriginal people who served are all discussed. Frank also speaks about the more recent service of his children in the defence forces.

NOTE: This interview recording is split into two video files. The first video above commences with Frank Mallard talking about his service before the focus shifts to Len Ogilvie and his service just after the 53 minute mark. In the second video above, Frank rejoins the conversation with Len for the remainder of the interview which focusses on the shared history of the Mallard and Ogilvie families, including their rich history of service.

This interview took place on 31 August 2015 in Perth and was conducted by Dr Noah Riseman with Craig Greene as part of the Australian Research Council-funded research project Serving our Country: a history of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people in the defence of Australia.

The interview recording above is made available to be viewed here by permission of the interviewee(s), Frank Mallard and Len Ogilvie. The recording may not be copied, reproduced or communicated in whole or in part without the prior permission of the interviewee(s). Requests for permission for use of this material should be made to the Serving our Country research project: our contact details.

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